Got bored with this very quickly. The gameplay is slow and the "philosophy" (really just limited logical game play from the parts I saw) wasn't as clearly organized as it could be. A lot of the "answers" could only be discovered by click and hope, as the writing didn't demonstrate clear examples of the philosophical/logical principles. Based on M's comment, it also isn't very well thought out. Philosophy has to account for science and religion as well. Religion allows for revealed truth and understanding. If the end is just "moral truth can't be found with absolute certainty," that might satisfy the pragmatists and non-foundationalists, but it's going to leave a lot of other real, pro philosophers cold.
August 26th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Me XVI says:
Pretty cool game - and I liked the way there were three different ways to press it. If you get stuck, here's a walkthrough.
You really should be able to do this one yourself, so I'm not going to help you. Do what Ari tells you to!
Every one posesses wisdom... ?Clarification.
Thus, whatever a god commands... !There are different gods.
Clearly, what the gods agree on... ?Clarification.
For surely, if things are good... !Morality comes from the gods.
Thus, the only... ?Clarification.
Whatever an individual... ?Backing
There are no things... ?Backing
It would be arrogant... !Speech Penalty.
If you want some fun, ask ?Backing on "For example, if one was to yell..." but it's not necessary.
As morality is affected... ?Relevance
This sets them at odds... !People work together
Thus, we form contracts... ?Clarification, !Mankind is selfish
This fear can, in turn... ?Clarification, !Contracts need to be enforced
Thus, actions are right... ?Clarification.
As a result, one should choose... !Happiness distribution.
Actions can be considered moral... ?Backing
These rules should be... !Rule Nuances
Thus we are moral if... ?Clarification.
There are certain things that... ?Backing
Other actions, we should... ?Backing
These rules... !Lying
If a contradiction or... ?Clarification
Irrationalities create... !Intentionalism
You have presented... ?Clarification
You claim that... ?Backing
With possibilities so incomprehensibly vast... ?Backing
His answer had to be... ?Relevance
The Arbiter's... !Mankind is Flawed
Cue dramatic music. Here, you can throw ?Relevance on his statement about accountants, but it's not necessary.
If that is the case... ?Backing
And if we cannot... ?Clarification.
Our efforts are worth... !Good is Happiness
Cool game, and unlike most philosophy games on the internet, this one is rather accurate! However, sometimes it was difficult for me to tell how they want you to phrase your answer, which leads to the classic puzzle game "click everything and then click everything else" kind of problem solving.
August 24th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Interesting Phoenix Wright clone.
Although technically the answer to the Arbiters question can be found as early as Eutyphro.
Eutyphro says humans are imperfect, and thus their judgment is imperfect.
Eutyphro claims gods have perfect judgement, but even if this point where granted and one accepted there where gods who gave perfect morality, said gods STILL would be interpreted by imperfect humans. And thus even the interpretation of a hypothetical perfect moral law would be imperfect due to the imperfect nature of mortal minds.
And since this inescapable imperfection hobbles all human attempts at finding a perfect answer, a perfect answer cannot be found for the same reason as you cannot do particle research with a clawhammer. The human mind, being imperfect, is an unsuitable tool to find the perfect answer. Regardless of hypothetical deities or whatever philosophies said imperfect mind may come up with.
Which is also why proof and absolutes exist only in mathemathics. And why in science anything else can never ascend above a theory, which by necessity must be able to be adjusted should new insights be discovered through further application of science.
Now one could argue the entire universe, and therefor a hypothetical perfect morality could be boiled down to math. But there are to many variables for a human mind, even assisted by the best possible tools to account for all these variables, and therefor as the end of the game shows the answer cannot be found with absolute certainty, and this is obvious since Eutyphro's first observation on human imperfection.
And since that's the only thing the arbiter requested, I would have found that answer quite quickly.
I wouldn't have thought to buy deer repellent though...
August 24th, 2013 at 5:58 am
Anonymous goer here, and I just wanted to say that I really, really enjoyed this game. Hope others aren't put off by the amount of dialogue in the game, as the game is quite good as a whole. Cheers!