21 Littlegrey Comments:
i really wish the media hadn't picked up so happily on this story. you know, our constitution actually allows you to be an insensitive jerk, it's part of being free. this guy is an idiot, and all he really did was waste a ton of money on books he didn't want. i'm pretty sure anyone who gets offended by this wanton silliness deserves to be offended in worse ways.
Funny concept, but it would have been better if they cut the video down to 0:30 and deepened the announcer's voice to a point slightly above indecipherable growling. Then add an echo to it. Maybe ended with the phrase, "Six bucks buys you the whole seat, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE."
Disclaimer: This is a small space to clearly articulate my thoughts on this so the below may not fully represent my views, or may not be my views at all, just my thought process designed to bring out conversation.
cynnicysm, yes, he has a 1st ammendment right to do it, but all the protects him from is the government not peer preasure. Not that you're doing it, but people always seem to cry first ammendment when it doesn't apply. The first ammendment says the government can't abridge your speech but anyone else can get pissy if they want, just because you have a right to say it, doesn't mean others don't have a right to tell you that you're stupid (not pointing this at you, just a general observation).
I agree that I wish they had not picked up on this story, but not for the same reason as you. To me, it's a non-story because this fellow is 1. insane and we shouldn't take the insane serious. 2. his church is actually a cult that tells members to cut ties to family and friends. 3. it's a small little church, the effect of which is miniscule and not newsworthy. 4. it clearly does not represent the view of most Christians.
One thing I am curious about...why are people getting so upset?
When people burn the American Flag, I don't get all pissy. When Muslims burn crosses and bibles I don't get all pissy.
I agree with your last sentence, "i'm pretty sure anyone who gets offended by this wanton silliness deserves to be offended in worse ways."
However, the US government is saying his doing this will cost soldiers their lives and the attorney general is saying it will increase terrorist attacks.
That says two things to me:
1. terrorism works. Clearly becauase our government is affraid of offending Muslims.
2. it actually is Muslims attacking us, which is why they are worried about offending that group.
If the above two are true...then I lean toward letting this putz do his thing just to offend them and let them know we aren't affraid, even though clearly the government is.
Oh...by the way...I Like! this video...it was well done satire.
Well explained TM. Personally, I'm hopeful he goes thru with it, but just him and like 2 of his most hateful followers. Then the cameras won't be able to zoom in close enough to obscure the fact that it's just like three people being stupid and burning a book all by themselves. That would be divine.
I'm pretty sure he's called it off, but for discussion's sake...
I agree with a lot of your points, TopMonkey, but (assuming religious tolerance is ethically superior to intolerance in this and all cases, which I suppose is up for debate) wouldn't a "peer pressure"-induced cancellation of the event go towards proving that America as a whole is above this kind of behavior, rather than showing that we are "afraid"? I might be missing your point.
A small, radical fringe of Muslims burns stuff of religious importance to Americans/Israelis/etc. I suppose that shows they aren't afraid of retaliation from the people they're offending, but it also shows that their culture as a whole can't regulate that kind of behavior. I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges in a way, as I know the religious atmosphere is very different in most of America than it is in parts of Muslim society, but I certainly don't think that anyone offended (assuming you're talking about Americans offended by a fellow American doing this kind of thing, not offended Muslims) should be offended in worse ways...I'm not sure if I understand the point of that. If you're saying that Muslims shouldn't be offended, then I totally agree...just as we shouldn't be angry at an entire people for radicals burning flags, etc.
For the 'reach out... and CRUSH A DOVE' part, all I could think was 'reach out and touch faith' from 'personal jesus' by Depeche Mode.
I'm glad he didn't do it because it's really disrespectful and gives us a poor image as a nation. The important thing to note though is that he cancelled it after many news outlets said they would not publish images of the event. The guy doesnt believe what he is doing he believes in being on tv
Sparks, this only gives America a bad image because it gets so much attention. I'd like to think that Americans aren't as crazy as this man. I find comfort in thinking, as Droogs pointed out, he canceled his Koran burning because he was publicly pressured to do so.
We need to remember that we are not summed up by the radicals in our country, the ones who get attention.
I laughed when this video called Islam the religion of Terrorism but people like this Reverend need to realize that Muslims aren't summed up by the radicals to who make it into our news broadcasts.
gotjen, unfortunately, groups of people in America have been summed up by the news media for at least the last 20 years and I think it's caused lots of problems.
Droogs, I am not saying the American people are affraid, but government representatives, i.e. the Attorney General and General Petraeus both made comments that doing this (burning) would increase attacks on the US and get soldiers killed. I really don't like that they said that. So, my point was, there are many reasons not to burn them, but that they would attack us because of it, is one reason to go ahead with it.
Whys, of course he doesn't represent America. his is a small church, and evidence suggests (as my first post pointed out) that it is a cult that even has members cut of ties with family (classic cult 101).
Sparks, nothing we do, or don't do, short of converting the US to sharia law will change the way radicals feel about us. It's pointless to try, which is why the comments from the above mentioned two are so disturbing to me.
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